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楼主
发表于 2008-2-29 07:46:00 |只看该作者 |倒序浏览
在论坛里偶尔看到一个朋友的帖子,说有个美国人说:JUST SAY "NO" TO CRAP MADE IN COMMUNIST RED CHINA。 意思就是不要买中国制造的产品。并且留下了老外的电子邮件地址。 于是我就按照电子邮件地址回了一句话:
  On Dec 26, 2007 1:29 AM, Mr.Bai <******@gmail.com > wrote:
  
  Dear Sir,
  Why say no to Chinese products?
  
  。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
  原来仅仅是出于内心的气氛问了一句,结果没想到老外很认真地回复了!以下是回复内容:
  > mr. bai,
  >
  > the reasons i give for not buying crap made in communist red china:
  >
  > red china = unfair traders
  > red china = environmental polluters
  > red china = forced labor camps (prison/child)
  > red china = threats that they have made toward the united states
  > red china = poison foods and products
  > red china = cheap, poor quality products
  > red china = product piracy
  > red china = huge wealth to poverty ratio
  > red china = communism
  >
  > give me one good reason why i should buy something made in communist
  > red china and cheap price is not a good reason.
  >
  > thank you.
  >
  > dave
  
  当我看到这个回复的时候,我真的不知道该怎么回复:想来想去就给他写了如下, 我的英语不是很好,仅仅是表达简单的意思:
  > Dear Dave,
  > I am so pleased to receive your email. I read your letter carefully and I
  > plan to write a letter to explain your reasons, but I feel my English is too
  > poor to write it down in short time. I will do it one by one.
  >
  > May I ask you something questions?
  > Did you come to China? Do you know the situation in today’s China? Do you
  > know recent history of China? Do you know the situation in Old China?
  > Gold can’t be pure and man can’t be perfect. China is developing, all your
  > reason will be solved in the future.
  > I think first you need time to know China. China,1.3billion population, So
  > large! America, 0.3 billion.
  > From the year 1840, Sino-British Opium War changed the destiny of China.
  >
  > As follwoing:
  >
  > A Short History of the Opium Wars
  > (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/heroin/opiwar1.htm)
  >
  > From: Civilizations Past And Present
  >
  > Book: Chapter 29: South And East Asia, 1815-1914
  >
  > Author: Wallbank;Taylor;Bailkey;Jewsbury;Lewis;Hackett
  >
  > Date: 1992
  >
  > See also Frequently Asked Questions About Heroin, Morphine, and the Opiates
  > - Heroin/Morphine FAQ
  >
  >
  >
  > The Central Kingdom
  >
  > At the end of the 1800s China’s four million square miles held 450 million
  > people, up from 200 million a century earlier. The ruling dynasty was the
  > Ching, established by Manchus from Manchuria, who in 1644 had superseded the
  > Ming. These descendants of the Tatars appreciated Chinese civilization and
  > adopted a conciliatory attitude toward their subjects. They refused,
  > however, to allow intermarriage with the Chinese, for they realized that
  > only their blood difference kept them from being assimilated and conquered.
  > By and large, however, the Manchus gradually became Chinese in their
  > attitudes and habits.
  >
  > The Manchu emperors were remarkably successful. The reign of Chien-lung
  > (1736-1795) was a time of great expansion. The Manchus gained Turkestan,
  > Burma, and Tibet. By the end of the eighteenth century Manchu power extended
  > even into Nepal, and the territory under the Ching control was as extensive
  > as under any previous dynasty.
  >
  > . . . . . .
  >
  > The Western Response
  >
  > The foreigners were especially irritated by the high customs duties the
  > Chinese forced them to pay and by the attempts of Chinese authorities to
  > stop the growing import trade in opium. The drug had long been used to stop
  > diarrhea, but in the seventeenth and eighteenth century people in all
  > classes began to use it recreationally. Most opium came from Turkey or
  > India, and in 1800 its import was forbidden by the imperial government.
  > Despite this restriction, the opium trade continued to flourish. Privately
  > owned vessels of many countries, including the United States, made huge
  > profits from the growing number of Chinese addicts. The government in Peking
  > noted that the foreigners seemed intent on dragging down the Chinese through
  > the encouragement of opium addiction.
  >
  > [See Opium Factory: The stacking room at an opium factory in Patna, India.
  > Opium smuggling upset the balance of trade and destroyed China’s economy.]
  >
  > In the meantime, the empire faced other problems. The army became corrupt
  > and the tax farmers defrauded the people. The central bureaucracy declined
  > in efficiency, and the generally weak emperors were unable to meet the
  > challenges of the time. The balance of trade turned against the Chinese in
  > the 1830s, and the British decided to force the issue of increased trade
  > rights. The point of conflict was the opium trade. By the late 1830s more
  > than 30,000 chests, each of which held about 150 pounds of the extract, were
  > being brought in annually by the various foreign powers. Some authorities
  > assert that the trade in opium alone reversed China’s formerly favorable
  > balance of trade. In the spring of 1839 Chinese authorities at Canton
  > confiscated and burned the opium. In response, the British occupied
  > positions around Canton.
  >
  > In the war that followed, the Chinese could not match the technological and
  > tactical superiority of the British forces. In 1842 China agreed to the
  > provisions of the Treaty of Nanking. Hong Kong was ceded to Great Britain,
  > and other ports, including Canton, were opened to British residence and
  > trade. It would be a mistake to view the conflict between the two countries
  > simply as a matter of drug control; it was instead the acting out of deep
  > cultural conflicts between east and west.
  >
  > The French and Americans approached the Chinese after the Nanking Treaty’s
  > provisions became known, and in 1844 gained the same trading rights as the
  > British. The advantages granted the three nations by the Chinese set a
  > precedent that would dominate China’s relations with the world for the next
  > century. The "most favored nation" treatment came to be extended so far that
  > China’s right to rule in its own territory was limited. This began the
  > period referred to by the Chinese as the time of unequal treaties - a time
  > of unprecedented degradation for China. The humiliation the Central Kingdom
  > suffered is still remembered and strongly affects important aspects of its
  > foreign policy. Meanwhile, the opium trade continued to thrive.
  >
  > The British and French again defeated China in a second opium war in 1856.
  > By the terms of the Treaty of Tientsin (1858) the Chinese opened new ports
  > to trading and allowed foreigners with passports to travel in the interior.
  > Christians gained the right to spread their faith and hold property, thus
  > opening up another means of western penetration. The United States and
  > Russia gained the same privileges in separate treaties.
  >
  > Do you think the Opium Wars is unfair trading? The Opium war is the start of
  > Chinese people’s nightmare, until the year 1949, the new China established
  > by the Red Communist Party, China began to grow up.
  > If you are interested in the history from Opium wars(1840) to New
  > China(1949), you will find what the Western countris had done in China.
  > Please searcheace Treaty of 1901 by google.
  > I think you must know too less about China. But I now more about your USA, I
  > study English, I see American film, I eat Mcdonalds, I drink coke. I listen
  > to VOA( Voice of America).
  >
  > I sincerely consider America is a great country, and USA do many things for
  > the human beings. But many American do not know China. They just listen to
  > the News issued by the Westen Goverment. Why not see the great Changes in
  > China land? All prosperity need accumulation over a ling period, do you, how
  > long the New Chinese established so far, the time of developing seems only
  > about less than 30 years from 1979, the Open and Transformation of China.
  > And how long the American developed, more than 200 years. For China, she
  > need time to be better.
  >
  > I’d like to talk with friends from USA about our Country, I deeply love my
  > country, even though their are many dissatisfactions in my living. I know it
  > is just temporary difficult situation in my life, I have time to struggle
  > for nice living.
  > All the unfair situation in China have changed a lot, that’s great improve,
  > we are walking forward in big step, though tired.
  >
  > My friends, if you indeed want to know China, China welcome you! Know
  > China:1. know her history,2know her present situation, 3. know her great
  > changes.4, come to China, have a look.
  >
  >
  > Best regards
  > Yours sincerely
  > Mr. Bai
  
  
  老外在当天下午就回信了,内容如下:
  i have been to china, once. maybe 15 or 20 years ago. i took a jet
  foil from hong kong to macau and then took a walk into the little town
  right next to macau. i walked, took a look around, bought a soda and
  a bag of chips and left. seemed like a nice quiet place back then.
  i’m sure it’s not today. anyway, i walked out with this money still

  in my pocket (see photo copy attached). i wonder what would have
  happened to me if i had gotten caught exiting china with that money in
  my pocket.
  
  i read the story about the opium wars. the way i look at it, doing
  drugs is a choice. if someone gets hooked on it, well, they should
  have thought about that before they started. obviously an entire
  country was not using opium at the time of the wars. those people
  knew what they were getting into. nobody forced them to do the opium.
   it’s the same today. i agree that a lot of money was made by
  governments off of the chinese addicts. it’s sad and never should
  have happened. but it still happens today. look at what is going on
  in afghanistan. you would think the united states would want to
  destroy all of the poppy fields in afghanistan because they produce
  the heroin that is sold all around the world. but they don’t. why?
  probably because they figure it’s easier to control someone who is
  doped out of their mind than someone who is sober and clear headed.
  keep the drugs flowing and you keep the people down. i can’t think
  of any other reason why we would let them keep growing that stuff.
  
  as far as corruption and high taxes go, it’s still here. corruption
  and high taxes will be around long after you and i are gone - in china
  and everywhere else.
  
  i read about the opium wars. i also read about japan’s brutal
  aggressions against china before and during world war two. the united
  states fought in that war and with great sacrifice supported china.
  say what you want but if we had not fought in that war and put down
  the japanese imperialists things might be a lot different in china
  today. the united states has done more to promote freedom and human
  rights for people everywhere than any other country in the history of
  the world. i think it’s time for a change. the people of the united
  states are tired of war.
  
  in closing, my problem is not with the people of china. it’s with the
  greedy corporations and corrupt governments of the united states,
  china and every other country taking advantage of the people.
  
  thank you for writing.
  
  very respectfully,
  
  我想给他回信,苦于英语水平有限:我哥们给我如下回复,希望大家也帮我写点。
  yes,But i guess all of this happened in the process when the western countries is on their way to industrilization. Red China is not wrong, histroy chose this political system.All the rest bad reasons are wrong,but you should see our goverment is putting effort correct them.We know how to develope ourself, we do not need any one to tell us.Just like when your great country killed Indians and develop your coutry.
  You can chose not to buy red chinese products, but market will chose.And what the most shamful thing for US is that most of your Gigantic Companies invest in China and take advantage of all the above items you have listed!
  Economics development never change his way by personal emotion.Who is more greedy? Chinese or American? God may say:I humanbeings,they are no difference.
  I respect your choice.But please do not use the word "crap" to contemn our working. Communist is not wrong, the problem is there U.S. is against the power from China. And China is against the power form U.S too. Because we do not want yeild to each other. We both like freedom and indepent. Japan like to follow U.S.Korea,too. That is why when U.S helped a lot of coutries to insist the justice
  
  but not China on the Nanking Holocust.Japan still do not admit that they have done this brutal crime.I may not describe myself clear for I am writing in English, I we can communicate in Chinese, we may have better understanding to each other.Why I learn English? And you can not speak Chinese? A better understanding is the key to build up a peace world. Not war! I do hope our goverment will be more and more responsible for the people and the rest of the world.All the problems will be solved step by step.Good day to you.Bye~
  希望大家帮忙!!!!!!
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沙发
发表于 2008-2-29 07:47:00 |只看该作者

关于一个美国人对于中国产品

人家有人家的观点,从mail中看到他走的是意识流,基于你的经历,我想你很难说服他,何况本来人家说的就有点道理。

地板
发表于 2008-2-29 07:48:00 |只看该作者

关于一个美国人对于中国产品

中国正在沦为世界工厂,不管你say no不say no的。

4
发表于 2008-2-29 07:49:00 |只看该作者

关于一个美国人对于中国产品

他愿意出高价搞定(还可能搞不定)日常生活,随他的便。

5
发表于 2008-2-29 07:50:00 |只看该作者

关于一个美国人对于中国产品

爱买不买,你要说服他做什么?
  
  难道你一定想要说服一个穆斯林去吃猪肉吗?

6
发表于 2008-2-29 07:51:00 |只看该作者

关于一个美国人对于中国产品

我没有打算说服他,只是想告诉他改变他那严重歧视的态度! 谢谢各位的支持!

7
发表于 2008-2-29 07:52:00 |只看该作者

关于一个美国人对于中国产品

感觉楼主是英文五毛, dave说的原因都是经得起推敲的。
  不能说“我们在努力,已经取得了阶段姓成果,要给我们时间”这些个,这不是理由。

8
发表于 2008-2-29 07:53:00 |只看该作者

关于一个美国人对于中国产品

Red China is not wrong, histroy chose this political system.

9
发表于 2008-2-29 07:54:00 |只看该作者

关于一个美国人对于中国产品

就跟咱们有些人不买日本货一样,人家看不起。

10
发表于 2008-2-29 07:55:00 |只看该作者

关于一个美国人对于中国产品

God may say:I humanbeings,they are no difference.
  -------------------------------------------------------------
  上帝应该也看到了difference,difference就是美国人生下来就有“天生我平等”,而中国人生下来,就是“谁让你不行生在中国”。
  难道这个difference不能说明问题吗?

11
发表于 2008-2-29 07:56:00 |只看该作者

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We both like freedom and indepent.
  ------------------------------------------------------------------

12
发表于 2008-2-29 07:56:00 |只看该作者

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不过说实在的,阶级斗争弦都绷得这么紧,楼主和这老外是天生一对呢。

13
发表于 2008-2-29 07:57:00 |只看该作者

关于一个美国人对于中国产品

感觉楼主是英文五毛, dave说的原因都是经得起推敲的。
    不能说“我们在努力,已经取得了阶段姓成果,要给我们时间”这些个,这不是理由。
    呵呵
  。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
  感觉有点失望!我怎么能是五毛当呢!我们办公室里就数我骂GCD骂的多!今天又看了看黑砖窑的报道,看得我想哭!内心的震撼,我的一个同事,年龄比我大20岁,看到了以后,当着我的面,咬牙切齿!激动的几乎流出眼泪!
  
  我本人的生活水平一般,仅仅是活着而以,但是我希望活得即使不能像某些所谓的“公务员”一样富足,也一定要有自己的尊严!活着不能仅仅是为了吃饭!

14
发表于 2008-2-29 07:58:00 |只看该作者

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Why I learn English?
  ------------------------------------------------------------------
  去教育部问大老爷们去
  干嘛问国际友人?
  您老是说加强交流,然后 no war,岂有此理,没有共同的价值观为基础如何能做到no war 。
x

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发表于 2008-2-29 07:59:00 |只看该作者

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哥们,你知道我的ID怎么来的么?Luxury_penis, 中文的意思就是奢侈的阴茎! 我把“正腐”那些高高的大楼比作是强奸人民的阴茎! 我嘲讽中痛恨这样的所谓的文明!所谓的政绩!所谓的GDP!
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